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sargeant Ace


Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 1795 Location: Hua Hin
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Mr P you asked what was the most blatant lie i have heard
simple Bill ORielly Fox news "if they dont find any WMDs i will be the first to call GWBush to account" so far silence and he sure wont be first if he ever does
But his piece de resistance was a few weeks ago some left wing rag (his description) had written "Bill ORielly gets his talking points memos daily direct from the white house"
Up comes a really indignant Bill and says "this is a disgraceful Lie i PERSONALLY never receive any talking points from the white house" clever use of the word personally but typical media double talk please note no threats of a law suit _________________ A Greatfull Guest of Thailand |
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Wanderlust Moderator


Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 2189 Location: Hua Hin
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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To take this discussion onto a slightly different level. while I now have a deep distrust of the media in general, there is a fundamental issue regarding what the truth actually is; facts should be indisputable (although where wars are ongoing and even finished the figures are invariably wrong) but the truth is a different animal: two or more people can 'see' the same thing happen and most likely all will have a different version of what actually did happen. There was a clever TV ad some years ago (possibly for a newspaper funnily enough) where the same incident was shown from three different angles; one angle made it look like a guy mugging someone, another made it look like the same guy being mugged, while another (the supposed truth) showed the guy helping the other person...or something like that. The point is kind of agreeing with those on here who say that if you read, see or hear enough information about something, you can normally get pretty close to the truth; however, there will always be exceptions to this, particularly when the information is only available from one source, such as a government - whatever the media presents will be limited to that source, unless they are lucky enough to have an 'insider' feeding them other info, but even that can't be totally relied upon.
One thing that is interesting though is that a story that is headline news in the UK for example, will be dragged out for days and sometimes weeks by the papers and TV there, while here in Thailand it may only get half a column (if that) of straight reporting in the Bangkok Post, with very little evidence of any editorial slant. I guess that means if you want to find out the truth in your country, read a newspaper from the other side of the world!  |
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prcscct Legend


Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 3161 Location: Looking for a moonlit buffet.
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Too many headaches, just come outside in the morning, sniff the sweet air, make sure your powder is dry, flints are ok, and knife sharp. Say hello to your neighbors and ask how they're doing. Then just live your life.
Wouldn't that be sweet. Reminds me of the 1950's, minus the powder and flints. Pete  _________________ "What America needs is a huge hypodermic needle of morality." Alice Cooper 21 Sept. 2007 |
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MrPlum Professional


Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 454
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| spitfire wrote: | | I'm a great believer in 'People believe what makes them feel comfortable'. |
Second that. Trouble is, we aren't left alone to be comfortable. The nagging is pervasive. Media-driven Hobgoblins are trotted out in a continuous stream of fear designed to drive the herd in particular directions, whether Global warming or Bird Flu or 'The War on terror'. It has to be this way or the herd would just graze contentedly and not do anything. These issues are continuously slammed into our mental hard drives by the media until they become 'truth'.
Of course, we think we are above being propagandized. We are too smart to be taken in but how many will defend to the death a belief that they think has come from their own noggin' when it has in fact been planted by the media? How many here shoot the messenger rather than engage in the debate? These are conditioned responses.
We live in a world of dissatisfaction and 'divide and rule'. That's how papers are sold and consumerism functions. If you want people to spend money, make them dissatisfied. If you want people to pay attention, be alarmist or extreme. If you want to sell more papers, dramatize and exaggerate everything. Lying is common, because the money you make by lying, will more than cover any penalty.
The extent to which propaganda, distortion and lying occurs, has produced a completely distorted 'reality'. You must know people who believe the soaps are real.
We are in the age of psycho-media and psycho-politicians. Our only defence is cynicism.
'The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the [public] is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.'
Edward Bernays
Goebbels:
"Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose."
'There are in fact four very significant stumbling blocks in the way of grasping the truth, which hinder every man however learned, and scarcely allow anyone to win a clear title to wisdom, namely, the example of weak and unworthy authority, longstanding custom, the feeling of the ignorant crowd, and the hiding of our own ignorance while making a display of our apparent knowledge.
Roger Bacon _________________ 'Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases.' Moliere |
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Vital Spark Guru


Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 528 Location: Out of town and in the sticks
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I get most of my International and British news from 'The Week' magazine. It's a subscription mag, and it's mainly aimed at ex-pats who don't have the time and/or opportunity to trawl through endless newspapers. I find it far more unbiaised than a typical newspaper - it also has fascinating articles which are non-news related.
We get it sent to the university and it's always a good read. I'd highly recommend it (for Brits).
VS
PS: It also has a superb cryptic crossword that keeps me entertained for hours.  _________________ 'Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana' -Groucho Marx |
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Arcadian Specialist

Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 146
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: The media what do you think about it |
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When a UK government is in power and doing well according to the polls,they always spoil things for themselves and try to mend what isn`t broken,thereby hacking off a large chunk of the electorate.
As for the most blatant lie? I think it was the Sunday Sport who claimed a red London double decker bus was found on the moon. Sorry Mr.P. for trivialising your serious thread. |
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dtaai-maai Ace


Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 1096 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| MrPlum wrote: | | It has to be this way or the herd would just graze contentedly and not do anything... |
I think the crucial question you need to answer is how to qualify as being apart from 'the herd'. And, of course, which herd.
Still looking forward to October. _________________ Never argue with a man carrying a water buffalo... |
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Super Joe Ace


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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: |
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The smaller herd judging by recent polls
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MrPlum Professional


Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 454
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| dtaai-maai wrote: | | MrPlum wrote: | | It has to be this way or the herd would just graze contentedly and not do anything... |
I think the crucial question you need to answer is how to qualify as being apart from 'the herd'. And, of course, which herd.
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Yes, of course.
Depending on the issue, the product, the footie team, there will always be different sized 'herds'. We may run with the crowd on one issue and refuse to budge on another. It would be a sorry world if we all thought the same. Being social animals, primates like SJ , with strong needs for approval, going with the flow is a darn site easier than going against it.
Marketeers will know the approximate %'s of those who can be, or who are, being 'driven'. They are always polling to check whether a marketing drive is effective and will adjust their tactics if a campaign is not working.
I happen to believe the BBC 'Have Your Say' sight is being used for this very purpose. They may ask... 'Do you think Russia was wrong to attack Georgia'. Besides the question being loaded, reinforcing the 'lie?' that Russia attacked rather than defended, the answers will tell such folk as the Tavistock Institute whether the propaganda is working. Same with Kosovo, Iraq, et al.
If the masses aren't swallowing the lie they will feed the media a more subtle spin. The media, through such channels as Reuters, obligingly fall into line.
FOX News doesn't have to care whether they are spouting propaganda or reaching everyone. They only have to brainwash a certain thuggish element and intimidate their 'opponents' and it's job done. Society is cowed and it's open season on dissidents... If you don't support the troops, you 'don't love your country'. Anyone who isn't with them is a screaming 'Liberal'. The worst kind of scum.
This is not a matter of simply spouting a particular ideology. It's ugly fascism. The message is 'SHUT UP AND SHOP' or 'shut up or you're going to get a 'visit'.
FOX IMHO is a nest of snakes and I don't want them f**ing with my brain with their insidious hate-speech and their totally immoral 'FOX & Friends.' I watched it half a dozen times. It was more than enough for me.
Wanderlust made a good point about the manipulation of images. How many times do we see a Newscast where the camera zooms in on half a dozen (paid?) 'protesters'... to give the impression of a crowd. They did it with the Danish cartoons story. It's a common tactic. How many flags or effigies do we see burnt in the street? These 'spontaneous' events where the camera crew are fortunately on hand to record.
News-making rather than reporting. |
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STEVE G Legend

Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 2729 Location: HUA HIN/EUROPE
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Plum wrote:
| Quote: | How many times do we see a Newscast where the camera zooms in on half a dozen (paid?) 'protesters'... to give the impression of a crowd. They did it with the Danish cartoons story. It's a common tactic. How many flags or effigies do we see burnt in the street? These 'spontaneous' events where the camera crew are fortunately on hand to record.
News-making rather than reporting. |
I tend to think that this has more to do with the TV news as entertainment concept most of the time rather than anything more sinister.
I used to drink with TV crews when I was in Jakarta during repeated political problems and they were all out trying to find exciting images because that’s what they could get onto that’s nights news, and many of them were freelancers knowing that the more extreme the image the more it was worth.
I never heard any of them mention anything about producing propaganda or having any political agenda, in fact many of them didn’t give a hoot about the politics as long as it produced exciting TV. |
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MrPlum Professional


Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 454
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| STEVE G wrote: | Mr. Plum wrote:
| Quote: | How many times do we see a Newscast where the camera zooms in on half a dozen (paid?) 'protesters'... to give the impression of a crowd. They did it with the Danish cartoons story. It's a common tactic. How many flags or effigies do we see burnt in the street? These 'spontaneous' events where the camera crew are fortunately on hand to record.
News-making rather than reporting. |
I tend to think that this has more to do with the TV news as entertainment ...
...many of them didn’t give a hoot about the politics as long as it produced exciting TV. |
I agree news is now entertainment but that particular issue was politically charged and used to demonize the Muslims.
While the freelance guys are looking for sale-able footage, the decision to air it and the context in which it is presented is often times political.
What about those crews who are not freelance but working for the major networks?
How about faked pictures of 'terrorists' where a few goons stick on balaclavas and carry AK47's and fire into the air, shouting 'Death to Israel'. Strikes me that much of this stuff is staged. |
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Super Joe Ace


Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 1525
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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I also see it as part political bias by the station in question and part the best footage to hand from the reporters on the ground.
It's not black and white for me, we have to make up our own judgements.
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redzonerocker Ace


Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 1428 Location: united kingdom
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: media |
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i find it quite amusing at times especially how politicians & celebs use & manipulate the media to improve their career & sell their story.
yet, when they're caught with their pants down or in an awkward situation, they scream invasion of privacy
if you are in the public eye you have to except that people are going to pry & dig the dirt, especially if you are preaching. if you're clean you have little to worry about anyway
i don't quite follow the herd when it comes to media reporting.
there may be a basis for the story but in between the lines there are often circumstances & facts that have been conveniently omitted & amended to make the story more sensational  _________________ when all are one & one is all, to be a rock & not to roll.
every silver lining has a touch of grey. |
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prcscct Legend


Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 3161 Location: Looking for a moonlit buffet.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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How about The Guardian out of London. Do you rank their reporting as unbiased and factual? Pete  _________________ "What America needs is a huge hypodermic needle of morality." Alice Cooper 21 Sept. 2007 |
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Vital Spark Guru


Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 528 Location: Out of town and in the sticks
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: media |
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| redzonerocker wrote: | i find it quite amusing at times especially how politicians & celebs use & manipulate the media to improve their career & sell their story.  |
Can't help but think of the film 'Wag the Dog' - got me thinking...
VS _________________ 'Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana' -Groucho Marx |
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