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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Thailand's wealthy untouchables Reply with quote

A very well written article with hard-but-fair insights to the Thai society.

source: BBC News Jonathan Head Bangkok Apr 7 2008

Many parts of the Thai bureaucratic system favour rich people - if you are not one of them, you will always be left at the back of the queue

Sometimes a single incident manages to shine a spotlight deep into the soul of a society.
There was just such an incident in Thailand last year, which has just gone to court, and which speaks volumes about the dislocating impact of more than four decades of break-neck economic growth.

It was a seemingly routine accident along Sukhumvit Road, one of Bangkok's busiest and most traffic-clogged thoroughfares.

A Mercedes-Benz was pulled up alongside a city bus, and a young man was having an angry exchange with the bus driver, whom he accused of scraping against his car.

The passengers started shouting at the man, who got back into his car and appeared to be about to leave.

But instead he accelerated forwards onto the pavement and into the crowd of passengers, crushing several of them under his vehicle.

One woman later died, and several other passengers were seriously injured.

A fit of road rage perhaps? The police charged the young man, Kanpitak Pachimsawas, with murder.

But the case very quickly turned into one about class differences, about the perceived arrogance of Thailand's rich, towards the poor.

'Bad attitude'

Kanpitak, it turned out, was the 20-year-old son of a former Miss Thailand beauty queen and a wealthy businessman.

He was also the nephew of a powerful police officer.

The bus driver reported that his father had arrived at the scene and threatened to use his police connections against the passengers.

"He thinks he has money and a big family name, so he can do things like this to poor people," the bus conductor told reporters at the scene.

Kanpitak's father was unrepentant. Speaking on a TV chat show two days later, he showed more concern for his son than his victims.

Responding to the bus conductor's comments he said: "They are uneducated. That's how they are.

"They think they are abused, that rich people are bad, that the police are bad. Lower class people have a bad attitude towards police officers and rich people. They hate us and curse us."

Suddenly we were witnessing something you do not see much in Thailand - open class conflict.

Inequality

Thailand has one of the most unequal distributions of wealth anywhere on the planet, despite some recent improvements.

And that yawning gap between rich and poor is most openly on view in Bangkok, where ostentatious displays of wealth are commonplace alongside the grinding poverty experienced by millions of migrant workers who have come from the countryside.

Luxury cars costing more than the entire annual income of a village rub up against the battered carts of street vendors.

New shopping centres and apartment blocks are crowding out what little open space remains in the city, projects that help the rich get even richer.

It should come as no surprise that it is in Bangkok that a five-star hotel is offering its 50 highest-spending guests what it calls the meal of a lifetime, prepared by a team of Michelin-starred chefs and preceded by the guests being flown by executive jet to a village in eastern Thailand to witness a little poverty before tucking into their 10-course feast.

Total cost: around US$300,000 (£150,000). The event has barely raised an eyebrow in Thailand, but caused such an uproar elsewhere over its questionable taste that many top chefs in France have decided to boycott it.

What is so striking about Thailand's inequality is how little visible social tension there is.

For the most part people appear to accept their lot without resentment. Some put this down to Buddhist concepts of fate and karma, others, to Thailand's deep-rooted sense of hierarchy, with the king at its apex.

Social activist and former Senator Jon Ungpakorn sees more prosaic causes.

"Because of the high growth rates in Thailand there is a sort of buffer," he says.

"Even the poor feel they are doing better than they would have done many years ago. They still see that they have opportunities ahead."

'Damage is done'

The case of Kanpitak Pachimsawas has struck a raw nerve.

Websites in Thailand are filled with comments demanding that the young man face the full force of the law, regardless of his family connections.

Some poke fun at his father's claim that it was mental stress that caused him to drive his car into the crowd.

But there is little of the blistering anger that erupted in China after a similar case four years ago, when a woman who drove her BMW at a farmer she had been arguing with, killing his wife, was given only a suspended jail sentence.

It forced the Chinese authorities to reopen the case, and to close down websites carrying the online debate over the case.

In Thailand, Kanpitak Pachimsawas was released on bail and, amazingly, even allowed to continue driving.

On his first day in court he was apparently overcome by nerves and said he was unable to answer any questions. The judge adjourned the case until November. He may never go to prison.

Suchira Insawan, the daughter of the woman he killed, says she feels no anger towards him.

She has yet to receive any compensation from the Pachimsawas family - she has asked for 7m baht ($222,000; £111,000) but is likely to get less, perhaps even less than the list price of the Mercedes-Benz that crushed her mother.

"The damage is done," she told me. "I forgive him. I don't want to destroy his future, I don't want him to be jailed. I don't want bad karma."

She also had little faith that the courts would find against such a privileged young man.

"Many parts of the Thai bureaucratic system favour rich people. If you are not one of them, you will always be left at the back of the queue."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"The damage is done," she told me. "I forgive him. I don't want to destroy his future, I don't want him to be jailed. I don't want bad karma."


shes a better "man" than me, and it puts me to shame....

Id hamstring the little b*****d and his father too.... Shoot em up
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes Or perhaps she was told to say that for her own good?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject: thailand's wealthy Reply with quote

luckily for us we are not in this league and are able to sleep peacefully until the sun wakes us up.....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this little brat gets off without a jail sentence, then I will simply despair even more about this wonderful country and their judicial process.
I can remember seeing the Thai television interview with the parents and the father was - I can't express my words without banning myself. (My wife was translating, but I know the details in English now).
Hopefully, som nam na to those hi-so idiots
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wouldn't be copying & pasting articles from another forum, would you Jockey? Wink Razz Both your news contributions today, I've read somewhere else...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: the real Thailand Reply with quote

lomuamart wrote:
If this little brat gets off without a jail sentence, then I will simply despair even more about this wonderful country and their judicial process.
I can remember seeing the Thai television interview with the parents and the father was - I can't express my words without banning myself. (My wife was translating, but I know the details in English now).
Hopefully, som nam na to those hi-so idiots
Shoot em up


Iomu, didn't you comprehend the article? What you read about IS this wonderful country and its "judicial process" probably only started a few decades ago if it has started at all. Crying or Very sad The horrendous gap between rich and poor has been the norm (sorry Norm) for ions. The poor have always accepted their lot. They had no real choice. Until now, maybe. But it will take decades or maybe millenia until a poor person has rights like in Europe, where even there the rich often skate.

Its the same in India. I had a personal experience. I traveled through Rajasthan Stayed in a minor Lords estate now turned into a l luxury "bed and breakfast." I hobnobbed with several servants (there were hordes of them. I think the lords estate provided most of the work for the nearby village) and was invited to a village party, ie, party of the poor villagers. Was great fun. Kinda reminds me now of the scene in Titanic where Kate Winslet goes to the steerage class party with Leonardo and has the time of her life.

I was severely reprimanded by the "lord" next day. I had broken class boundaries. I should show no interest in these people. It will only lead to trouble. They will not understand." Say what.? everyone understands human kindness, Confused well I think I'm proven wrong here) Crying or Very sad .


Thailand as the reporter reported has one of the highest gaps between rich and poor on this planet. I wonder if the BBC reported is concerned for his safety after writing about the father:
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Responding to the bus conductor's comments he said: "They are uneducated. That's how they are.

"They think they are abused, that rich people are bad, that the police are bad. Lower class people have a bad attitude towards police officers and rich people. They hate us and curse us."

Suddenly we were witnessing something you do not see much in Thailand - open class conflict. end of BBC segment included here.

We see the same thing on this forum. The arrogance of the well to do. Someone said they paid a gardener/worker 6000 baht a month for taking care of their home whilst in England. Immediately they were accused/abuse for paying too much. Why you could get them for maybe 4000 or you could even hire Burmese worker for less. See it ain't only the rich Thais who lack naam-jai. There was even a thread in Night Crawlers where some wanker was complaining of paying bg's 1000 baht for their service. You can get it for 500 down by the pier wrote one. Lovely people these.

Anyway, you get my point. Many of us farangs come over here and do the same thing. We are now higher up the social/wealth scale and by-god we are going to get our bahts worth. not to mention that a gardener in Europe to take care of home, clean the pool, mow the lawn, etc whilst the owner was abroad would cost, what 4 times the price? naw maybe 8 times.

To make another point. How does it happen that farang developers can screw the hell out of "stupid" farang punters and be the leading hi-so personalities in this community? pictures in the newspapers, magazines, etc. Because they are "rich" They cultivate the local Thai rich and "no problem" An article in the Big Chilli a while back said if you got money Thais are not prejudiced be you black, brown, white, or purple.
Thais are only prejudiced against one race, those without money. No money, no honey. You aint got a chance in this society.

I guess this may be called a rant by now. But cie la vie. You'll probably notice that most of the warm hearted Thais, the lovely people that farangs like to talk about are the street vendors, shop keepers and lower class people, not the the well to do.

I saw the picture of the father and son on front page of BKK Post, I wager two Greek olives to one Spanish that that kid never sees the inside of a jail cell. Mr. Green Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: the real Thailand Reply with quote

huahinsimon wrote:
An article in the Big Chilli a while back said if you got money Thais are not prejudiced be you black, brown, white, or purple.
Thais are only prejudiced against one race, those without money. No money, no honey. You aint got a chance in this society.


Thats sounds frighteningly accurate and would go to some lengths to explaining their immigration policies in only wanting rich tourists and retirees. Although that is decided by the fat cat politicians and not the rural poor majority. Despite the fact that poor voted for Thailand's wealthiest man (3 times) I doubt that immigration was top of their agenda.

Any one remember Thaksin's Elite Card?

Additionally how many Thai cops have been prosecuted for murder?

Chalerm's son is also a prime example of how the rich can get away with it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Thailand the only country in the world where wealth ,power and or good connections enable people to get away with things that they should possibly be accountable for ?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is exactly the reason I'm having a bad day..... I see so much hypocrisy, intolerance and simple arrogance in this society. I feel sorry for the simple folk that they have so little chance to speak out against the wrong attitudes in the country but they seem not to want to. TV, mobile phones and alcohol seem to be the panacea to all evil and keep saying me pan rai...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazy88 wrote:
Is Thailand the only country in the world where wealth ,power and or good connections enable people to get away with things that they should possibly be accountable for ?


This is true but the subject material of this and many threads is Thailand which is why we're not discussing Robert Mugabe.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

judicial imbalance is everywhere...even in the UK (shock horror)

an example.....

Joe Shmo is busted carrying a couple of wraps of cocaine. Goes to court....he is charged and convicted of possession and possibly dealing. He gets at least 5 years prison.

Identikit wild child rockstar (several recent examples inc George Michael) gets busted with dope, coke and heroin in his possession. He has previously appeared before the court on similar charges three times in as many years. His record company paid lawyer bleats about his lifestyle, wheels out his celeb girlfriend in tears, holds press conferences on the court steps....he gets a warning and some community service.

As my grandad used to tell me..."theres only one thing money doesn't buy lad, and thats poverty".
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