local election

lindosfan1 · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: corruption

I love these members who criticise the Thais for being corrupt.
1. Not all of them are corrupt.
2. At least they are open about it.
Look at UK politics.
1. The number of MP,s that have directorships in companies just because of their position.
2. The number of MPs who have massive expense accounts some employing their wife as a secretary, or so as a researcher.
3 The large number of local councillors who claim large expenses
4. Regularly we here of councillors being prosecuted for bribes the latest is in Portsmouth. (These are the ones which are caught)
5 Not all of them are corrupt
6. The main difference is our politicians are more devious in hiding what they do.
Finally look at the massive pay rises and pensions they have voted their selves
Before you criticise Thailand look at what your own country is doing.
Corruption is bad any where but the Thais at least are open about it.
Not that that makes them any better
The answer is to have in all countries a strict control over what politicians receive and spend and why they have these directorship. It will not happen because they need to pass the law stopping them getting their perks
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spitfire · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:

Fair point above, I suppose we are talking about Thailand as if it was a 'democracy', it's not, it's actually something that is called a 'plutocracy'. To save all from looking in a dictionary, it's a country that is openly run by the rich. Very Happy

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sandman67 · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject:

man oh man this ones got me scratching my head.....

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spitfire · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject:

dtaai maai,
You scoundrel(in the politest way possible), the truth is always scoffed at by the masses. Look it up, I did. It's great here, but it is a 'plutocacy'. It's just few are aware of it.

Example,
Face for the Thai's is gained through riches, power, and how much influence they have over others. The average Thai man holds up the trophy of how many mistresses he has and makes it very public, he gains face from it, he's number one . In the UK and most of Europe, it still happens, but everyone is quiet about it, as if they are scared of being found out. They know they are doing something wrong, but try to hide it. This attitude can be equated to many other subjects(maybe just indifference).

A 'plutocracy' is a country that [b]OPENLY is run by the rich[/b]. I'm sure most countries are run by the rich, but it depends on how much contempt they have for what everyone thinks, in the UK you still have to be sneaky and keep people in the dark, then you get away with it. Here there is just a simple disregard for what anyone thinks.

lindosfan1 · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: corruption

Sandman
I did not state I agree with corruption, my point is what us/you the right to sound off about Thai politicians you shout about it here but did/do you shout about the corruption at home. NO like most of the British you aceot what is happening so why do you come here and criticise Thais by name.
It is wrong but make sure your doorstep is squeaky clean before you tell otheres theirs is dirty.
In my view there is far to much crictisms of Thais on this forum, it is their country let them rule.
I find some of the rants against Thais quite offensive. Especially if you said some of the things stated here in your own country you would be arrested.
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sandman67 · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject:

Lindos

ermmm.....sorry mate but you are wrong.

dtaai-maai · Guru Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 834 Location: Thailand

Spitfire, I'm suspicious (and made so by the 'scoundrel' remark) - do I know you...?

Anyway, I wasn't questioning your plutocracy claim, it simply made me think. No more, no less. And now I'm thinking a bit more. And it's not really a response to either of your posts, just a mild rant on politics. For 'he' read 'he/she'...

If you extend it from national leaders to any politician, or to any 'official' subject to election, it's probably not that surprising. How many upstanding, self-respecting, middle class, self-righteous, self-absorbed (I think that probably covers the majority of the populations of most democratic countries...) are going to vote for a poorly dressed, ugly, uncharasmatic person with imperfect teeth, who lives in a council flat (are there any left?), even if (or perhaps, 'especially because') he speaks his mind, and what he says is true, intelligent and sensible?

It seems to me that the requirements of a good politician are:
the ability to listen
altruism (genuine)
intelligence, imagination and original thoughts
a genuine desire to improve the lives of everyone around them
the ability to think long term
the ability to delegate appropriately

(ok, called away from this for an hour, so let's wrap it up, to everyone's relief...)

the requirements of a successful politician ANYWHERE are:
self interest
money
power
the ability to think only of how to get re-elected
the will to climb over your dying mother to reach out to a sponsor
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Rant over for now
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sandman67 · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject:

ahhh Bevin where are you?

and just to address the balance I forgot about Bernie the Bung and the Labour party backdown of deathstick advertising on race cars. Shoot em up

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lindosfan1 · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: election

Sandman
I take your point completely that is good criticism in your last post.
I agree with what you say. It is the same in the UK the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer.
Corruption is world wide and it only benefits a small minority.
Which leads back to my previous post when I said a law should be passed making all financial dealings including directorships accountable.
This does not happen anywhere, it is supposed to happen in the UK but it is rarely used.
One more point I do not hate the UK it is my country but the present labour government have done more damage to the working man than Maggie Thatcher did.
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wrong thread, sorry... Embarassed

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No it wasn't - I just hadn't realised quite how much water had passed under the bridge - I wanted to ask...

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