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[Randy Cornhole]

Fair comment...
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[Wanderlust]

I've already explained that I just don't like sweeping statements based on very little experience - Farang has already said that it was only iPods he had a problem with, and yet included all Mac products in his post; considering (as I have already said) the vast imperfections that Windows has displayed continuously since its release I find that attitude extremely puzzling (as in why he continues to use Microsoft products) - it would be like me saying I went to a Millwall football match which was awful so I am never going to another football match again, except of course there is every chance, given other iPod users comments on this thread, that there was another element causing the problem, such as the PC, Windows or the user himself. buksi has already told me offline that the problems he encountered with iTunes were over 4 years ago, so hardly an up to date review! Of course I can accept that someone has their opinion, but if the basis of their opinion is (in my eyes) unsound, I am going to challenge it. This applies with any subject that i have knowledge of, and isn't because I am a so-called Machead, so i would be grateful if everyone would stop making that assertion!

[Farang]

You just could not leave well enough alone, now could you? Please, from now on, Thou Shalt Not Take My Name in Vain when discussing macstuff.

I do not like your sweeping statement about my preferences as you have very little experience and no knowledge of my experiences at all. I’ve had problems with other macstuff, too. This time, however, we were discussing only iPod, so I did not include them as I thought they were irrelevant to iPod issue. Mostly my problems with mac have been incompatibility with PC.

I designed my first system when slide-ruler was on its way out, the four-way calculator was The Big Thing and when the IBM flowchart template had just been introduced to the mere mortals from the Lofty Heights of the IT Realm. I punched the cards myself, fed them in, got the print-out and have been exasperated ever since. Just believe me, between those ancient times and this argument, growing ever sillier, I have experinced several clashed with mac. So I do not speak only of my single brush with iPod, I just did not include the irrelevant stuff in the conversation. So please, do not make sweeping statement of my experience, as I understand you do not like sweeping statements anyway.

No other plugin has ever attacked my computer, only iPod did. I mean really Big Time, War of Computer Worlds, Computerdämmerung++! This happened repeatedly, and as it has never happened with anything else but iPod, I finally decided: “I'll never, ever again deal with iPods nor any other Mac stuff.”
You call this opinion: “ an unwarranted and untruthful rant against Apple, Macs and iPods “ Bit of a sweeping statement, don’t you think?

I tender my apologies to everyone for utilizing so much bandwidth for so little substance. I shall now retire to a beach of my choice (Jamjuree), grab a cold and foamy in each hand, sit quietly contemplating the waves, the sand, the clouds and vanitas vanitatum of omnia vanitas.

I wish everyone a happy and relaxed holiday season!

[Big Boy]

...................... and we still don't know what richard decided

Will we get an unbiased report on whatever he decided to buy.
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[Randy Cornhole]

Ha ha ha, true....
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[Wanderlust]

[Big Boy]

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[Wanderlust]

Big Boy,
If you have to take work home, and dependent on what sort of work you have to do on the computer I agree; however if it is just (for example) spreadsheets or word processing there is no such compulsion as the software is almost indistinguishable for those tasks. To be honest I would think that almost any work software for PC has the same or equivalent on the Mac, and for graphic or design work the Mac is generally superior in both software availability and performance. I had and have no problem switching between PCs and Macs as regards the physical use of them (my wife has a PC laptop, and my Dad has a PC which I use when I am back in the UK) but I guess some may not find it so easy. I think the main differences right now between Windows and Mac is that the perception is that there is more software available for the former and thus it must be more 'compatible' and easier, whereas I perceive the reality to be that the Mac has a much more reliable and stable operating system which has sufficient quality software to do anything you want, and sometimes more than the Windows PC, depending on the field you are working in. I am sure there are some specialist bits of software that some companies use, possibly custom made for their business which have only been coded for Windows, but the newest Macs (in the last couple of years) can run both operating systems anyway if you want, since Apple started using Intel chips. The biggest gripe I have is that Microsoft themselves do not reciprocate the efforts made by Apple to allow their software to run on the others computers; Office is a classic example and in particular MSN Messenger, and this is purely Microsoft running scared of the threat that Apple poses now - those bits of software have not had a new release for Mac since 2004, and Hotmail will not allow the Apple Mail programme to retrieve/send mail, although there is a workaround developed by others available free. These sort of petty actions by Microsoft make them truly hated by those in the Mac community, and when someone slags off Apple and their products for incompatibility it really is a complete joke. Microsoft deliberately develop products that will only work on Windows computers, and devise things like Windows Media files that will only play on Windows Media player when there was already a perfectly acceptable industry standard already in place. Their own products don't even work that well together - have you ever tried to get a table in Excel to look exactly the same in Word? Or tried to copy any tables from either of those programmes into (for example) non- Microsoft website software like Dreamweaver? There are so many bugs in these MS bits of software that have never been sorted out, but you never encounter these sorts of things using Macs and Apple written software; and you never get the Mac shutting down on a whim like Windows does! I could go on, but its late here and I've said enough on this thread; I think the only appropriate thing i can say now is Happy Christmas to one and all, and don't believe the hype!

[Big Boy]

Wanderlust,

I personally don't have an axe to grind with any operating system. I have been using various machines and using a variety of operating systems since the early 80s. I have always adapted whatever system that has been thrown at me (or maybe the system has adapted me) with a fair degree of success. They all have good and bad points, although I must admit, I don't remember the scenario

[Farang]

[Wanderlust]

Actually Farang I would prefer it if you would address my posts and the questions and points I raise in them. If I understand your last post correctly (and please do correct me if I am wrong), you are essentially saying that your early experiences with computers have absolutely no relevance to what we are discussing. If that is the case, I have to ask you why you bothered posting that information? I initially took it as you wanting to show that you had the credentials and experience to make the comments you did, but that is obviously not the case.

As far as 'vivisecting your posts' goes, I was just trying to make sense of them, because there were apparent inconsistencies to me, and it is very common practice on forums to show other readers and posters the courtesy of quoting the posts you are referring to, so they don't have to find them themselves. I'm sorry if that offends you but I will continue to do so when necessary.

I have already apologised for saying that you were being untruthful in an earlier post, but when i asked you about what I saw as inconsistencies subsequently I did not intend it to come across as an accusation of lying, but rather for you to explain yourself a little more clearly. As I have already said, I am interested to know about your bad experiences with Macs. I think your anonymity is quite safe by the way, and your reclusion (whatever that is) is your own affair; if you don't want to enter into a debate, and have to defend your position, don't make the type of statement that you initially did, which was not relevant nor necessary. The suggestion I made about your initial post was just to illustrate how you might avoid future unwanted interruptions of your

[Jockey]

There are roughly 670 million windows PC users in the world compared with roughly 20 million mac users. That doesn't prove windows is a better operating system. It proves most people use windows just like more people use a Toyota Corolla than a Mercedes.

[buksida]

If thats the premise then its a purely financial decision that determines what people decide to use, if I had the choice I'd still go with a PC regardless of cost. Surely Steve Jobs would have figured this out years ago and wouldn't be second to Mr Gates who pisses me off on a daily basis.

Macs actually require and run on vastly inferior hardware to PCs, its the flaws in the operating system that demand more demanding hardware from Microsoft builds so the whole computer argument is worthless from a hardware perspective - its the software that makes the difference and therein lies the problems.
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[Randy Cornhole]

I love my mac and I love my pc. I love my mac more because it works for me. I love my ipod, it works, and I use it on my pc.....
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