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| buksida wrote: | | What I hate even more is a 3rd party device (MP3 player) trying to dictate how I manage my music and what I listen to it with. This is exactly what an Ipod does. |
Not mine. I find it is really flexible and does exactly what I want. Lots of my MP3's are obtained through music blogs and the like too. Never had a problem playing any of them. I run iTunes on Windows on a PC.
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We bought one for a resort I used to work for so they could play ambient music in the bar. I donated some of my music collection to them which we ran from a spare PC they had.
The first thing iTunes did was restructure the folder system to suit itself, the second thing it did was consistently try and get online to update itself and install extra stuff we didn't want, the third thing it did was prevent a number of files being copied to the pod as it claimed they were copies and not "Apple Approved" or something.
Just a real bad experience with them really, IMO an MP3 player should simply be an external flash drive you can copy you music to - no additional software, no updates, no bells or whistles ... unless of course you want all that - each to their own!
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I cant understand that, ive got 300gb of music which I swap around on my ipod, using itunes and have never had that message?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: Ceasefire |
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| Wanderlust wrote: | Hey I didn't start it - Farang had an unwarranted and untruthful rant against Apple,
Macs and iPods prompted by your unwarranted and incorrect assertions.  ,,, |
I am stupid enough not really to know the difference between Mac and Windows, so I have
no ax to grind there. I am not part of either camp being ignorant of the finer points thereof.
I just described my opinion and experiences with iPod and my "rant" was prompted by my
experiences with iPod, certainly not "prompted by unwarranted and incorrect assertions"
I really do not give Jabba the Hoot about it all.
I use computers, I do not worship them.
Not knowing the ins and outs of it, it appears the Mac camp is quite as touchy about their superior
and only true religion as the Muslims are of theirs. Funny how something so superior always must
be so vigilantly defended, I'd think the superior things would win by their merits, not by vigilant
righteousness and catholicity of their zealots.
"Unwarranted, untruthful, rant, unwarranted, incorrect assertions,,,,”
Come on, remove the magazine and cycle the bolt on your AK-47 (Apple Komputer??) This is no big Jihad.
Should I ever buy a little, cuddly iPod can I name it Mohammed?
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Wanderlust
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| Farang wrote: | | buksida wrote: |
richard, you could always simply buy a standard generic MP3 player for
half the price that doesn't force you to convert your file system or use its software |
This precisely is the reason I'll never, ever again deal with iPods nor any other Mac stuff.
Problems, incompatibility and enormous amount of work for double the price.
Generics humbly running on windows without any uppity authonomy is the way to go. |
Farang,
I am not 'touchy' about Macs in particular, but I am 'touchy' when someone makes blatantly untruthful comments (I've put them in bold to help you out). You then amplify this by saying
| Farang wrote: | I am stupid enough not really to know the difference between Mac and Windows, so I have
no ax to grind there. I am not part of either camp being ignorant of the finer points thereof.
I just described my opinion and experiences with iPod and my "rant" was prompted by my
experiences with iPod, certainly not "prompted by unwarranted and incorrect assertions" |
Perlease! I am not stupid either, and you have based your whole opinion of Macs on one bad experience with an iPod judging by your comments, and have the nerve to not only broadcast that opinion, but then to say you know nothing about the subject! I have no problem with you relating your singular bad experience with an iPod, but you extrapolated it when it was unnecessary, and frankly, untruthful. It was also directly prompted by buksida's comments, as you quoted them and responded! You'll be trying to tell us black is white next 
Anyway, I am sure richard has gained some valuable insight for his proposed purchase and I hope whatever he buys he is happy with. I don't own an iPod but it would be the player that I would consider first because of my many positive experiences with Apple and Macs. I agree that they are often more expensive, but you do have to pay more for quality normally. |
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| macs are crap - don't buy one! |
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| Jockey wrote: | | macs are great - buy one! |
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Wanderlust:
I do not tell untruths, these things actually happened. And I do not base my opinion on a single incident, as you claim.
I actually have had several bad experiences with iPod. The bloody thing tried to take over my computer,
tried to censor what I can listen, tried to dominate the whole filing system, automatically mutated itself
even if I tried to stop it and in general behaved unmanageably like an unruly, retarded child.
A very nasty experience I had several times with iPod.
So I had problems, incompatibility and enormous amount of work for double the price compared to a
generic that does not attack my computer, make me redo my filing system through an enormous effort,
does not censor me nor orders me around.
I told of my experiences that really, actually happened. I did not lie about it, so it is not very polite to call me a liar.
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I don't care about the whole Mac Vs PC debate. I use technology to do the stuff I want it too and if it looks cool into the bargain then great.
My iPod 'does exactly what it says on the tin,' so to speak and so does the windows PC I run iTunes on. I haven't experienced any of the compatability problems listed above. My files are not re-ordered (There are plenty of set up options that allow the user to configure things the way they like) and it does not refuse to play 'bootleg' MP3's. I don't have any WMA files and all the music I need is in MP3 format - the industry standard. If I decide to change my player one day (unlikely, as I am happy with it) I could still play all my music on the new player.
Similarly, I am happy with my PC. Windows is easy to use and there is so much help available on web forums etc that if I ever get a problem it's relatively easy to get a fix.
Maybe the old iTunes formats were more limiting but I don't have any problems at all. If one appears, I'll be sure to let the board know.
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Wanderlust
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| Farang wrote: | Wanderlust:
I do not tell untruths, these things actually happened. And I do not base my opinion on a single incident, as you claim.
I actually have had several bad experiences with iPod. The bloody thing tried to take over my computer,
tried to censor what I can listen, tried to dominate the whole filing system, automatically mutated itself
even if I tried to stop it and in general behaved unmanageably like an unruly, retarded child.
A very nasty experience I had several times with iPod.
So I had problems, incompatibility and enormous amount of work for double the price compared to a
generic that does not attack my computer, make me redo my filing system through an enormous effort,
does not censor me nor orders me around.
I told of my experiences that really, actually happened. I did not lie about it, so it is not very polite to call me a liar.
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The thing is Farang, that your post stated that it was a problem with any Mac stuff, when actually it was only the iPod that you had problems with, and judging by others posts it would seem that it might have been an issue with how it was set up on your computer, or possibly that you didn't read the manual? As i have already said, if you had stated simply that you had had problems with your iPod on your computer, and what they were, without lumping in all other Mac products then there wouldn't be any issue. |
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| Wanderlust wrote: | So I had problems, incompatibility and enormous amount of work for double the price compared to a
generic that does not attack my computer, make me redo my filing system through an enormous effort,
does not censor me nor orders me around.
I told of my experiences that really, actually happened. I did not lie about it, so it is not very polite to call me a liar.
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The thing is Farang, that your post stated that it was a problem with any Mac stuff, when actually it was only the iPod that you had problems with, and judging by others posts it would seem that it might have been an issue with how it was set up on your computer, or possibly that you didn't read the manual? As i have already said, if you had stated simply that you had had problems with your iPod on your computer, and what they were, without lumping in all other Mac products then there wouldn't be any issue.[/quote]
Read again, this is what I wrote:
This precisely is the reason I'll never, ever again deal with iPods nor any other Mac stuff. Problems, incompatibility and enormous amount of work for double the price.
Generics humbly running on windows without any uppity authonomy is the way to go.
Should you read above, you'd see I am talking about my experiences, not "problems with any mac stuff".
Just my experiences. My actual experiences several times over.
And because of those repeated bad experiences I said I'll never, ever again deal with iPods nor any other Mac stuff.
See, again, just what I have experienced, what I do. Just moi, not the world.
Do you now understand I was talking of my experience, not the mac world?
Where did I say "that it was a problem with any Mac stuff"? Please point this out in bold as you did before.
See, I managed to do this without putting any words in your mouth nor ever, much less repeatedly,
calling you a liar,,, er,,, speaker of "untruth".
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| OK, Farang, I apologise for saying that you were untruthful - I should have said misguided or mistaken maybe. Essentially you had bad times with iPod(s?) so have concluded therefore that all Mac related products must be bad too. Your loss. I do struggle to understand why you are so accepting of all the problems Windows constantly throws up and yet continue to use Microsoft products, using the same logic, but never mind - that is your burden to carry, not mine. |
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I have used both extensively and can state that the most stable platform (in my opinion) without a shadow of a doubt is the Apple Mac. No contest at all. My pc is often crashing or hanging. That's not to say I don't like my pc, its just to say that my Mac didn't give me any probs over the 20 years or so I used it (what a marvelous tool). As for mp3 players, I have an ipod because I like it and it looks good, I have not had any probs with it either. That said I have never used a generic player. So you literally pays your money and takes your choice. Personally I have an aversion to the money making machine that is mr Gates, and prefer to use the talents of Serey Brin and Larry page (Google and FireFox) I preferred Mac to pc in the UK, but out here I use pc as its, well just easier for software etc...This is just a personal view and one I wish not to espouse upon the masses.
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buksida
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This argument is futile, no one system is superior to another, people are happy with what they are used to.
The whole idea of this forum is to share experiences and knowledge so saying apples are better that oranges (or windows in this case) is counter productive.
I do chuckle at the defensiveness of Mac users though and considering that 95% of members are probably on PC's you don't see them jumping on board to defend their beloved box. This is probably because they know the operating system isn't faultless but don't have the time and inclination to learn a new one which also won't be perfect.
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