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Jockey Ace


Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1851
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| Lippy - it looks like you are taking a very pragmatic and sensible view. You've obviously going to have to work out the finer details with her which will probably not be easy. Good luck. |
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Farang Guru

Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 661
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: Lessons from the real world. |
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This might be a troll and in this case one of the better one. However, as this thread might provide
some enlightenment and education, I consider this as a real case.
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You think she's a prostitute? Why? Because she's Thai? Get a grip! |
As a matter of fact it seems I am one of the few who has a very real grip on the very real world.
I am not saying she is a prostitute. If it makes you more easy I am saying that to all intents
and purposes she is a "kept woman" and very successfull at that. She made a 400K condo from her
previous cli,,, boyfriend in addition whatever other remunerations she might have got.
In case at hand she has had monthly wages for services rendered and companionship provided,
in addition to which she now is getting a a black-mail bonus of 450K. That's 19K a month!
Now, what would you call a woman not working and receiving a regular stipend from her boyfriend?
What is your term for her, please reply.
Yes VS, those are the real figures in the real world, and these things really do happen in the real world.
:::references to ivory towers and splendid isolations deleted here::: |
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VincentD Professional

Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 283 Location: Bangkok
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Lessons from the real world. |
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Jumps in... avoiding thrown rotten tomatoes..
| Farang wrote: | This might be a troll and in this case one of the better one. However, as this thread might provide
some enlightenment and education, I consider this as a real case.
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Tend to agree with Farang, I think Lippy is for real. As is his situation.
| Farang wrote: | If it makes you more easy I am saying that to all intents
and purposes she is a "kept woman" and very successfull at that. |
The Thai term is 'Mia Noy'. Unfortunately for Lippy she's not really the second, but a kept woman nonetheless.
| Farang wrote: | She made a 400K condo from her previous cli,,, boyfriend in addition whatever other remunerations she might have got.
In case at hand she has had monthly wages for services rendered and companionship provided,
in addition to which she now is getting a a black-mail bonus of 450K.
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Do I detect a pattern? I also notice her kid at 8 years of age is being educated abroad. Interesting, to say the least. I have a funny feeling that the car payoff is only the beginning.
| Farang wrote: | | That's 19K a month! |
20K is about average for a Mia Noy.
| Farang wrote: | Now, what would you call a woman not working and receiving a regular stipend from her boyfriend?
What is your term for her, please reply. |
See 'Mia Noy', above.
Reading between the lines..
The girl
*Probably has a local boyfriend in Bangkok she likes very much, but he's unable to commit for various reasons. Like being married to someone else.
*Is an introvert who is only comfortable within a very small circle of people. She finds it difficult to make friends outside.
*doesn't mind, in fact prefers to be a 'kept woman'. Non-resident farangs preferred. Needs 'payoff' when said relationship grinds to a halt.
*gets upset when people don't see things her way.
Lippy
*you haven't been here long enough to know about the culture and the exceptions to it She's an exception.
*you accept too much without question, even when you have doubts about the credibility of a situation. Wake up and smell the roses.
Yes, this is going to draw a lot of flack. But I call it as I see it.
The girl's not happy in the relationship, but she's happy with the arrangement. She doesn't really want to give it up.
Lippy thinks there's a relationship, though in reality it is by his own admission an arrangement.
My advice?
Lippy, give her the 300K. Then sell the house, relocate and get another. I guess the car isn't yours any more.
The girl? She'll just find another person to fill your place. I very much doubt she went into a relationship with you with her eyes closed. Especially so when by her own admission that you're not the first farang... Doubt if you'll be the last, either. _________________ วินเชนท์ |
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Jockey Ace


Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1851
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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fair play to the above two posts from Farang & Vincent. A surprisingly enjoyable thread albeit on the back of semi-tragic circumstance.
One last observation - some like it hot wild n' dangerous!
Oh ... by the way ... of course I wasn't on the wind-up Dawn, whatever made you think that?  |
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lippy45 Amateur

Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 25
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: |
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Team
I can assure you this is not a TROLL!
This is for real. As stated before I put this Post on here for advice.
Sure I am new to Thailand. I have been visiting Thailand for the past three years. Total time spent there maybe 9 mths if that. So yep I m new to the lifestyle. People do make mistakes but hopefully learn from then.
That said I wouldnt class this particular situation as a mistake. I took this girl on because I thought it was the right thing to do with the evidence that I had from her. I knew about her Ex and her son and some of her past history. I kept an open mind. We did have some great times together so I have no regrets. I met her family friends etc, travelled a little, discovered HH so this will always be an experience that I will remember, some good some bad.
I would never class her as an prostitue even though I can see where Farang is coming from. Yes she has played the game well if you want to call it that! She has done well and as VincentD states there is a pattern here. Now two Ex farangs and she gets a condo in BKK and a nice car.
But for me what do i get. Hopefully...I get my life back on track, my sanity and self esteem back. I can learn from this and move on with my new life. What price would you put on that 300K 400k. If thats the score then for me personally its worth every penny.
I agere with VincentD when he states that this has been an arrangement for her and I have mistaken it for a relationship. I admit looking back i have been a fool. But as said before I have gained something from this: Nice house, holidays, travel and had the company of a beautifull girl for the past 2 yrs and she was nt always mad! So its not all bad. Maybe were both winners at the end of the day who knows??
Anyway I rang her today. She has returned from her travels and is back at BKK. I ve not spoken to her for a week and my respons once again was cold. So I broke the news to her. She didnt seem that bothered so this just reinforced my feelings to ditch her. I mentioned the money maybe this helped. I told her that I would give her half the money in the next few weeks and then the second half when she leave the house. Hopefully this will prevent her from trashing the house! If all goes well I will come to HH in April/ May to sort the house out. |
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lippy45 Amateur

Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 25
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: One last Question?? |
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HELP!
Just when I thought things were running smoothly madam has just thrown a spanner in the works. She is happy with the money to finish the car and promises me this is the end! But theres just one thing!
As you know I ve just sorted her a visitors visa for the UK. I have told her that I have to cancel this now as Im no longer her sponsor and as far as I m concerned its the law. When I mentioned this she went BESERK on the phone threatening to burn the house down if I go ahead. I tried to explain but she would nt listen. She stated that she may want to visit the UK at some stage for a holiday.
Anyway this has worried me alittle as:
1. I do take her threats seriously.
2. The house is slightly vulnerable as the project is 70% complete.
3. If I cancel the visa this does look bad for her future applications. This could just tip her over the edge for revenge.
I am determined that I am not selling up and moving. I am prepared to take my chances and hopefully with time things will pan out ok. So these are my choices yet again:
1. Dont cancel the visa and hopefully things will be OK. But where do I stand if she comes to the UK and it all goes pear shaped. Would I face some form of prosecution by the immigration services or can I just plead ignorance stating that I did inform them of the situation and obviously the letter must have got lost in the system!!! My gut feeling is that she would be responsible in the UK and would nt draw attention to herself.
2. Cancel the visa, tell her and take my chances. Tell the house is insured and its up to her.
My gut feeling is to go with Option 1 and this will end the relationship amically which was always my main priority and also to stay put. I am just a little concerned about the implications if it all goes pear shaped. As sponsor would the authorites take me to the cleaners. What action would they take against me? Surely this situation must happen regularly.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated??
Thanks once again. |
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caller Ace


Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: Londonistan
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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I think you need to consider the impact on you as a sponsor for any future visa application for any future gf if the scam comes to light. _________________ I know nothing |
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Kilbirnie Amateur

Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Sabah
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Stop behaving like a pathetic wimp....
Get on the next plane to LOS and proceed as follows:
1. Grab her by the scruff of the neck
2. Beat the living hell out of her
3. Shag the arse off her
4. Give her a golden shower
5. Start beating your chest with your fists shouting out "I AM THE BOSS"
6. Run as fast as you can for the first flight home...........
7. You'll probably find she'll be there before you waiting with your slippers and a mug of cocoa.
8. Everyone lived happily everafter
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VincentD Professional

Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 283 Location: Bangkok
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: Re: One last Question?? |
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| lippy45 wrote: | HELP!
Just when I thought things were running smoothly madam has just thrown a spanner in the works. She is happy with the money to finish the car and promises me this is the end! |
Bullshit. It's only the beginning.
| lippy45 wrote: | | As you know I ve just sorted her a visitors visa for the UK. I have told her that I have to cancel this now as Im no longer her sponsor and as far as I m concerned its the law. When I mentioned this she went BESERK on the phone threatening to burn the house down if I go ahead. I tried to explain but she would nt listen. |
If you realise that you will be breaking the law, you are. If, however, you do not cancel the visa you are still her sponsor, whether you like it or not.
| lippy45 wrote: | | She stated that she may want to visit the UK at some stage for a holiday. |
She can always apply for a standard visitor's visa. You don't need to be sponsored to get one. Seeing as she did behave herself the last time, chances of her getting one on her own shouldn't be too difficult.
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3. If I cancel the visa this does look bad for her future applications. This could just tip her over the edge for revenge.
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No. You've just paid her off. Now you're letting her take advantage of your forgiving nature again. She shouldn't have a problem getting a standard visa unless she's had some trouble with her ex.
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I am determined that I am not selling up and moving. I am prepared to take my chances and hopefully with time things will pan out ok.
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Your choice.
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Any advice would be greatly appreciated??
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Lippy, the advice has been given. Given your situation I feel for you. Unfortunately there are no real simple solutions. If, however, you cannot, or WILL not, sever the last remaining thread, she will persist in taking advantage of you. Why? Because you let her, and will probably continue to let her.
Another problem I see further down the road is that if you ever decide to start another relationship with someone else, this is going to come back and bite you in the behind.
Sorry if I'm blunt, but as I said in my last post in this thread, I call it as I see it.
Good luck whichever way you decide to go. _________________ วินเชนท์ |
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Governor Specialist

Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 176 Location: Bangkok
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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If you decide it's better that she does not come to the UK, and you have sponsored her I would advise you to tell UK Visas at the Embassy. You need not go into to detail, just say that the relationship is no more and you will not support her during her stay. They would not cancel the visa but might have to convince an IO at the point of entry as to why she should be admitted.
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As I said before you cannot cancel the Visa, but you should advise UK Visas that the relationship is no more and you would not support support her during any visit. It is her that would need to convince an Immigration Officer at the port of arrival of her intentions on arrival. UK Visas should update the warnings index file, and her details would then be available when her passport is swiped. |
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matthew80 Specialist

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Cancel the visa and be free of her. Even if she does burn the house down, you can always rebuild. YOU do NOT want to be LEGALLY responsible in your home country for a lady that has demonstrated instability and volitility. PERIOD! Good luck whatever you decide to do.  _________________ Maverick |
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matthew80 Specialist

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Ok, according to Govenor, you can't cancel the visa but you can inform the authorities that you are no longer together and will not be responsible for her. That to me, if true, solves the biggest problem you have: your continual legal obligation to this woman. _________________ Maverick |
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T.I.G.R. Specialist


Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 138 Location: Cha Am
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Kilbrnie -
I'm surprised and shocked the Mods let your post through......what cave are you living in?
This guy and his problems sound stupid enough without this kind of rhetoric.
Does beating, rape and peeing on someone apply just to Thai women or all of them?
This is about the most disgusting thing I've read on these forums and I hope where ever you are it's a long way from here. |
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Wanderlust Moderator


Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 1837 Location: Hua Hin
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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As far as I am aware, being a sponsor of someone visiting the UK does not have any legal repercussions on you if the person you are sponsoring goes AWOL while in the UK - the British Embassy website does not state anything specifically on this, but it does say that a sponsor letter and any guarantees are not the key things considered when issuing a visa - they help but the main thing is either previous visits and the actual details of the applicant.
What i would suggest to lippy is that he uses the fact that he could report her to the UK authorities as a risk to control the situation he now faces - if she does not pack up and leave and leave him alone for good, then he will report her to UK immigration, scuppering any chances of future visas. She will not know if this is true or not, but I'm willing to bet she won't take the risk. |
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Randy Cornhole Ace


Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 1653 Location: Deep jungles of Issan
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Imagine if you will - she endures a 13 hour flight at great expence to her, and because you have told the authorities that you will no longer be her sponser, they turn her around and pack her straight back to Thailand. She then has to explain to all her friends why she is back so quick and still owes a lot of money. Severe loss of face...  _________________ Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly!
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