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The really big bonus for McC is Bush and Cheney wont be speaking at his convention  
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| sargeant wrote: | Mr Plum Mr Plum you do sail close to the wind and stir controversy do you have attention deficit syndrome
ie no attention and you feel unloved
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Shucks Sarge. You do run a tight ship, I have to say. Cannot talk about media manipulation or spin in the contest. Cannot talk about whether elections are rigged.
'feel unloved'? Not with the two ladies I've been lucky enough to find.  Check out the no of posts per day made by you, then ask me again who needs attention? 
Dipping another toe into the murky waters...
| Super Joe wrote: | Brilliant political speech by Obama today, there's no doubting in my tiny mind that he is genuine in his ideals.
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Obama has said he will...
1. Finish the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
This means extending the "Global War on Terrorism" (GWOT) into new frontiers (such as Pakistan).
2. Confront Iran
Not Israel for forcing its neighbours to desperately try and defend themselves.
3. Curb Russian aggression
Oh what a lovely cold war. All those HUGE defence contracts
4. Remain in Afghanistan
Without a shred of evidence, Afghanistan, a nation of 34 million people (the size of Canada) is portrayed as the State sponsor of the 9/11 attacks.
5. Will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts.
Which others are always starting . The military, like televangelists, always need more money! 
Thus far, apart from the rhetoric of "bringing the troops home" from war torn Iraq, which may or may not be carried out, this is a Bush speech.
I've already said with Obama grasping his ankles for AIPAC you know there will be no change in the Israel policy. The doctrine of preemptive war directed against "Islamic terrorists" and their State sponsors remains functionally intact. The Democrats are fully supportive of preemptive nuclear weapons
Under the "Global War on Terrorism", the Homeland Security apparatus, not to mention the anti-terrorist Patriot legislation, the Big Brother surveillance apparatus would, under a Barack Obama administration, remain intact.
Obama also said...
1. I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.
Great. When will he start and how much? How will it deal with companies having to pay workers higher salaries and health insurance vs nil for foreign workers?
2. I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.
While allowing naked short sellers to continue to destroy innovative small companies?
3. I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.
What taxes and how much? Isn't a bigger problem LEGAL immigrants taking middle class jobs, using Visa loopholes? Where's the pledge to end that?
4. And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.
That's because the U.S. will snaffle Venezuela's and maybe even Russia's oil by then. Not sure I trust a pledge with a timeline extending beyond his watch.
5. I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime - by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow.
'that don't help America grow' - weasel words and a free pass to the worst offenders. Does that mean Halliburton will move its head office back to the U.S. and pay taxes?
6. I'll invest in early childhood education. I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability. And we will keep our promise to every young American - if you commit to serving your community or your country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.
What does 'serve your country' mean? Go to war? How much will he invest and why only 'early education'?
7. Now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves.
There's some more beef on his web site about this. Sounds good but doesn't it mean Americans who aren't currently paying, will have to find more dosh? This also surprised me...
Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.
The drug companies will kill him.
He should also stop them from suppressing natural alternatives, rushing toxic drugs to market without being properly tested, faking 'scientific' data through ghostwriting and bribing legislators to force treatments on those who don't want them.
There is some populist stuff here but little hope for those wanting a peaceful world and an end to Big Brother.
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Hi Mr P not really interested in all that stuff these days.
Maybe someone else will give it a go.
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A very good post Mr P lays it out quite well nothing i can agree or disagree with what i want to see is the differences between the 2 of them and to me as i have said there is no mention not a peep total silence nana zero zilch buggeral on how they are going to do all this spending AND pay back the chinese the debt bush has built up
which means a... they are just going to let it grow or b.. they are both telling porkys to the US electorate ill go for B 
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The latest 'scandal' is the announcement by Sarah Palin, after the media caught wiff of it and hounded her, is that her 17 year old daughter is 5 months pregnant out of wed-lock
Shock, horror.
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Well thats definitely going to effect the Evangelical vote unless she does keep it which is a nonsense
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| sargeant wrote: | A very good post Mr P lays it out quite well nothing i can agree or disagree with what i want to see is the differences between the 2 of them and to me as i have said there is no mention not a peep total silence nana zero zilch buggeral on how they are going to do all this spending AND pay back the chinese the debt bush has built up
which means a... they are just going to let it grow or b.. they are both telling porkys to the US electorate ill go for B |
Phew! Thanks, Sarge. Passed muster, eh?
I think the choices have only ever been right wing or extreme right wing.
The U.S. is already taking care of the debt by devaluation of its currency. The nature of the dollar, as the world's reserve currency, means it can just keep exporting its debt and other countries have no choice but to pick up the tab. I think once U.S. wages are less than China's, manufacturing jobs will come back to the U.S. That's the free market, right?
Ronny ran up huge deficits and the U.S. was able to balance the books under Clinton (correct me if I'm wrong). That shows it can be done, but as you say not a word on it, which may just be due to politicking. ie If Obama says he'll cut the deficit, the Pubs will be all over him. If he says the opposite, he's toast with the electorate. Therefore, no mention. Same goes for McCain. Why shine a spotlight on a systemic problem?
No sign of a catchy slogan yet.... 'It's the economy, stupid' or 'Where's the beef?'. No doubt they'll come up with something.
My suggestion is... 'It's humanity, numskull'.
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Mr P yes Bill Bjob had a zero deficit when he left which is why i dont for the life of me understand why the dems ditched hilary it would have walked the election HC president (bill holding the reins ) Obama VP they could have had 16 years if they did it right
SJ damage control on Fox but they are fair and balanced
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| sargeant wrote: | | damage control on Fox but they are fair and balanced |
I don't watch it Sarge. too controversial.
Remember the 'Dr Who' theme tune? I used to leg it behind the sofa. Now do the same with Fox News. |
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Fox is a good channel to watch purely because it is so blatantly right wing and by using a bit of maths and work left to the centre and then checking on al jazeera and ABC aus then you get closish to fair and balanced very long way round but TIT 
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FOX is no further right than CNN, and the three network news channels (ABC, NBC, and CBS) are left in the U.S.
The left has the rest. I think it's only fair to give the right one channel. Nothing is fair and balanced if you don't hear both sides. |
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HH yup i agree its a long long time ago when newspapers and the media printed news and not propaganda 
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Sarge said:
| Quote: | | HH yup i agree its a long long time ago when newspapers and the media printed news and not propaganda |
So sad but so true!  |
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| hhfarang wrote: | | FOX is no further right than CNN, and the three network news channels (ABC, NBC, and CBS) are left in the U.S. |
This is worthy of it's own topic so I've created one... 'The Media. What do you think about it?' |
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