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alleykat
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4. Another classic that happened on Koh Samui a few years ago;
someone plants drugs at your house or place of business, then calls the BIB. |
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dtaai-maai
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| ozuncle wrote: | Everyones situation is different and I was more than happy to put our house in my wife and daughters name.
After 15 years of happiness and hard work, they deserve everything they have got. |
I'm with you on this, ozuncle. When I buy some land and get a house built it will all be in my wife's name (we're not married yet, but we've been together for nearly 4 very happy years and will be married by this time next year). No companies and no contracts involved. As I see it, it's simply a way of providing some long term security for her. After all, she isn't going to get a widow's pension from the UK govt when I pop my clogs.
No reference to anything posted here, but the few people I know personally who have disaster stories to tell have had quite a few disasters in this and other countries in the past. That doesn't stop me having some sympathy, but it does make me wonder when the next disaster will crop up.
Everyone's situation is different, as you say, but speaking from my own point of view (and I'm far from disaster-free!) a personal relationship of almost any kind is worth bugger all if it doesn't include complete trust. Both ways.
'Rent/Lease, don't buy' is obviously a well-known expression in the English language. It'a a crying shame to read it in this context.
Paul McCartney? I'm sure he'll manage to scrape by, and maybe - just maybe - he's learned something.
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Chas
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: no disaster here |
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I am happy to add that both our house and our car are in my Thai spouse's name. It has made things SO much easier all around, but then I have been fortunate enough to find and marry a true soul mate and someone I can trust totally.
We are now in our 10th happy year together and our relationship is still as strong as ever. The family ( Isaan of course) are total sweethearts in every way. As I have said in another forum, these are most certainly the best years of my life. |
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Super Joe
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| Quote: | | You could do what some friends have done - buy a house in the wife's name and take out a 30 year lease from her. Anyone see any problems with this? |
yes, the land office here stopped giving leases to farangs legally married to thai's, a little while back
the criteria seemed to be if the thai wife had taken the farangs surname!?
now they insist on giving you 'lifetime' usufructs instead
depending on your circumstances this could be a better option anyway
** a 30 year lease is cheaper than 30 years of renting, even taking into account lost interest on the initial capital investment **
ps: i would be interested to hear from someone who has managed to get a 30 year lease done with a legal thai wife ??
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Nereus
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| dtaai-maai wrote: | | ozuncle wrote: | Everyones situation is different and I was more than happy to put our house in my wife and daughters name.
After 15 years of happiness and hard work, they deserve everything they have got. |
I'm with you on this, ozuncle. When I buy some land and get a house built it will all be in my wife's name (we're not married yet, but we've been together for nearly 4 very happy years and will be married by this time next year). No companies and no contracts involved. As I see it, it's simply a way of providing some long term security for her. After all, she isn't going to get a widow's pension from the UK govt when I pop my clogs.
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Have to agree that everyone's situation is different, and that some people are very fortunate to have their plans, and life, work out for them.
Having spent 10 years, and more than 1 million Baht trying to get just part of what should have been mine, I would just like to say that you all seem to think that your wife will outlast you, and do not consider what could happen in the event that she passes away before you. I can tell you that you, or anybody else, cannot predict what length some
" families" will go to if they think that they can get something for free.
Just one other point, unless the rules have changed, the legal wife of an Englishman is entitled to a widows pension. 
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Super Joe
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agree with ozunc and dtaai-maai's comments
obviously you have to have reached a point in the relationship where you trust each other etc
some of the 'stitch-ups' that happens to farangs is due to:
1) the farang doesnt show any trust in the wife as wont put it in her name
2) farang breaks trust of marriage himself, by messing around
3) when they have rows the farangs repeatedly tells her "if you dont like it you can f off out of my house"
4) thai wife flips and 'secures her own future'
ps: i would never pass judgement on item 2) above 
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dtaai-maai
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| Nereus wrote: | | Just one other point, unless the rules have changed, the legal wife of an Englishman is entitled to a widows pension. |
No argument here, I know nothing about the subject at all, I was just making an assumption - but are you sure that applies if they've never lived in the UK? I'd be pleasantly astonished.
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Nereus
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| dtaai-maai wrote: | | Nereus wrote: | | Just one other point, unless the rules have changed, the legal wife of an Englishman is entitled to a widows pension. |
No argument here, I know nothing about the subject at all, I was just making an assumption - but are you sure that applies if they've never lived in the UK? I'd be pleasantly astonished. |
Should not be to difficult to check with embassy if it is still the case. The case that I was involved with was a few years ago, and the person involved had been diagnosed with cancer and found that he only had about 6 months left. His girlfriend had most definitely never lived in the UK, and all that he was required to do was register his legal Thai marriage at the Embassy. As far as I know the girl still gets the pension to this day, but I have lost track of her, so cannot guarantee that she does.
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huahinsimon
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: me and only me |
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| ozuncle wrote: | "nuff said."
Once again HHS you seem to believe that you and only you are right and know everything!
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Ozu, I really push your buttons, don't I. I'm a burr under your saddle, the rock in your sneaker. the fly in your salad.  Chill out and have an olive! and a cold one. one of those Changs you sell in your restaurant for what was it, 165 baht equivilant.
me and only me are right and know everything. 5555555555
where do you get that crap? 
Like all who post, I give out personal opinion, it could be misenterpreted and I could be wrong. 
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anothermug?
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Let us not forget the topic of my original posting. I fell for a Thai woman who seems to have planned to rob me of everything I have worked for all my life, and when I retired and went to live with my wife and children in my dream home, through her violence and intimidation made it unsafe to live there and for my own safety I had to move out, allowing her to finalise her plans.
Yes, I could have better protected my investments but I trusted her, and now have been proved wrong. Let this be a warning to others.
I intend to return to Hua Hin for a couple days next week to try to ascertain what is happening to my house. So if you see someone sitting in a bar sad and lonely, feel sorry for him - it could be me. If you see someone on Soi 102 sporting night vision glasses and camouflage clothing, please do not run over him. |
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lomuamart
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| anothermug? wrote: | Let us not forget the topic of my original posting. I fell for a Thai woman who seems to have planned to rob me of everything I have worked for all my life, and when I retired and went to live with my wife and children in my dream home, through her violence and intimidation made it unsafe to live there and for my own safety I had to move out, allowing her to finalise her plans.
Yes, I could have better protected my investments but I trusted her, and now have been proved wrong. Let this be a warning to others.
I intend to return to Hua Hin for a couple days next week to try to ascertain what is happening to my house. So if you see someone sitting in a bar sad and lonely, feel sorry for him - it could be me. If you see someone on Soi 102 sporting night vision glasses and camouflage clothing, please do not run over him. |
This is my first foray on the thread.
Believe me, OP, I went through the mangle with my first girlfriend. I feared for my life sometimes. The only difference between you and I was that I didn't own property. I was mobile, if necessary.
However, on a positive note, I think of that old saying "once bitten, twice shy", meaning that if you ever meet up with a decent Thai lady - and there are lots of them - you're hopefully going to enter that relationship with your eyes at least partially open.
I did, and have been happily married for almost three years now.
Good luck.
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ozuncle
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| anothermug? wrote: | Thought readers might be interested in the latest in my situation.
I went to the Land Registry Office in Hua Hin on Friday to try and stop here selling the property, but when I got there I found that she had leased the land to an Irish guy for 30 years. She has today advised me that she has actually sold the house and did so in mid October the day after she forced me out, adding that I only married her so I could steal HER house.
I knew of late she was devious but I she has stolen everything I have, and I not sure what, if anything, I can do about it. |
anothermug,
A couple of questions please.
Would the land office lease the property to an Irish guy when it was already leased to you? Did you query that with them at the time?
If she had sold the land in mid October did the land office advise you of that change in ownership?
Did the land office give you this info or give it to your lawyer?
You did say that she had agreed to a divorce. Did that eventuate?
Now you are coming to HH for a couple of days next week to ascertain what is happening to your house. Your house?
If your not having us all on may I respectfully suggest that you try and put this matter behind you. Stop flogging a dead horse and get on with the rest of your well earned retirement.
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Super Joe
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sounds like a wind-up
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anothermug?
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[quote="ozuncle"]
Would the land office lease the property to an Irish guy when it was already leased to you? Did you query that with them at the time?[/quote]
I thought that I had mentioned before that foolishly I did not actually push the point of ensuring that the land was leased to me, I trusted her.
[quote="ozuncle"]
If she had sold the land in mid October did the land office advise you of that change in ownership? [/quote]
She leased the land and possibly sold the house at the same time, but of course as the land was in her name so they would not notify me. She registered it and leased it in her maiden name, and did not advise the Land Registry Office that she was married. I am advised that is actually against the law, as because she is married I have to agree to the lease. I am also advised that htis action will make the lease null and void.
[quote="ozuncle"]
Did the land office give you this info or give it to your lawyer? [/quote]
I went to the office with a Thai friend to translate for me after I had found out that the house was being offered for sale. My friend’s brother is a judge and she was on the phone to him constantly, he was telling her what to say and as a result, the officials in the Land Registry pulled the files, and provided me with copies of the transaction.
[quote="ozuncle"]
You did say that she had agreed to a divorce. Did that eventuate? [/quote]
She has agreed, but I have not proceeded yet as I have certain rights whilst we are still married.
[quote="ozuncle"]
Now you are coming to HH for a couple of days next week to ascertain what is happening to your house. Your house? [/quote]
I do not think that is unreasonable, I have paid approximately 10m Baht, and I am not prepared to let her steal everything I have worked for. There are a number of inconsistencies in her story; I am trying to ascertain the lay of the land.
[quote="ozuncle"]
If your not having us all on may I respectfully suggest that you try and put this matter behind you. Stop flogging a dead horse and get on with the rest of your well earned retirement.
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Why on earth would I have you on? With respect, it is easy to say put it behind you, but this woman has set out to con me from day one, and I cannot just let her get away with it. When she has spent the money, she will try to find another mug like me. She has not put one single baht into the home; she just wants everything on a plate.
I am getting on with my life, but I am looking for natural justice. If my posts help just one person it will be worth it, but I am not prepared to let her steal everything without a fight. She has broken the law and though the legal process in Thailand is very slow, I believe it works, so I am going to fight on.
I do appreciate the reality checks, so please keep them coming. |
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matthew80
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Anothermug, I think you will not be able to "move on" until you've exhausted every legal avenue in trying to secure your "natural justice". if you can, (from this point on anyway) treat the experience as an experiment with the Thai justice system, whilst trying not to be too emotionally ripped apart by the process. At the end, what ever the outcome, at least you've learned some important lessons for future relationships. And perhaps just as importantly, you have provided others with excellent insights as well. Your sad situation may very well prevent others from falling into the same trap. And that is a very very valuable gift! Stay strong!
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